Some Rank-Jumping RP?

[ferabird]

D'awww....

It's because he's so sweet and fluffy. How can you not love that? But yeah- I'm more than willing to rp him with the various bebes. He's a sucker, though XD

[tigs]

Guys... I hate to bring the party down, but have you thought about... well, not going so gung-ho on the character rank bumping thing? ^_^ I mean, I personally see it as an incredible priviledge, and one that should not be abused, so I feel bad bumping up even One baby XD. Mem gives out ranks for a reason, Puppet Masters and Directors are meant to be somewhat uncommon, or have we been forgetting this? *chuckles*

I think it might be a good idea to devise a rank bumping limit for everyone's sake, just to be safe ;D. Don't want a bunch of Directors running around on their own because all the casts are full <3, or a bunch of Puppet Masters without any members because there are 50 casts full of LC all of a sudden XD.

[FlyingPanther]

Well, honestly...I don't know about it being something bad to want to bump up your character's rank...especially if they have a history or reason for it. Take for instance Caesarion...the only one i want to bump btw that doesn't already have a chance of beeing bumped up naturally...She was insulted by Kyva and her vanity and thinking that she would be nothing, when she was grown up to believe that you could be anything you wanted to be. Something she gained from being raised by her father. So It wouldn't be 'strange' or 'weird' that she wants to show Kyva that shes wrong or something...and becoming puppet master would be a STRONG message that she could be whatever she wanted to be.

Besides...what we are all forgetting about casts is that there CAN BE more then one Puppet Master running a cast. Right now there are to many Puppet Masters unwilling to share power, so I can see how it could be a problem with to many puppet masters...but for instance Caesarion I plan to try to start a cast or join a cast with more then one puppet master... So there is that also to keep in mind.

I dont think having characters that want to bump up is bad. If Mem really doesn't want us doing it, then I'm sure she will tell us, but I don't think she minds to much, or she wouldn't have the option to bump up in the first place.

But yeah...Thats just my opinion...^^;

[Kitty Love]

Hehe... Loki, even beign a son of jiaro, is quite willing to joint run his cast, but he has to be in the lime light, and he'd preffer a female with similar views to run the show with him, as he's hell bent on creating a brand new Ragnorok.

Most of my darlings are happy where they are, and, after some reveiw, I only wanna rank up Vayliea, a defore. Presently there are cheifs, but no active Caravans... I have plans for her, and she's got everything it takes, and this might follow her finding out what her daddy is up to.

I actually have characters I wouldn't be adverse to downgrading their ranks actually... X3

[FlyingPanther]

*nodsnods* me to Kitty XD. I have a couple I want to downgrade to puppet ;;

[Kitty Love]

I wonder hwo the points work on that one? LOL. And your little torn/Agony's brother is growing up! He's happy being a Puppet X3

[tigs]

Of course FP, I thought I'd made it clear I wasn't implying that bumping in itself was a bad thing. You just mentioned you really wanted to bump One character because she has a good history for it, etc, and that's perfect. I was talking about people going gung-ho and trying to rank bump ALL their babies. Now, don't lie, you can't say THAT won't be a disaster XD. If suddenly every baby everyone gets becomes a Puppet Master... although they can share power- you said it yourself, it takes a very... giving type to do such a thing, and another willing to share in return. Two things which aren't common in most of the current ones X3.

But yeah, a couple of rank bumps are good, fun, even moreso with a backstory for why they needed to, but too much of a good thing... you know?

[FlyingPanther]

*nodsnods* Yeah, I understand what you mean, because that would be disasterous...but the way i see it is, there is always going to be someone out there who abuses the privilages that we have here, because there is always someone anywhere and everywhere abusing systems or privilages in just about anything. Its not exactly something that can be avoided. But that isn't enough of a reason to squelch the rights of people who are going to be using the privilage properly. People should be able to use the privilage if they want, but also keep in mind just how MUCH of a privilage it is, and HOPEFULLY not bump up ranks just for the hell of it, or because they just want a large number of powerful crits.

I agree that if it becomes a serious problem, maybe the admins should decide what to do to lessen the likelyhood of people uping the rank of their crits, but I don't see any real problems right now. There really aren't even all that many people who seem to want to do such a thing XD;;;

My reasoning behind the non-sharing puppet masters is because there weren't as many once as there are now, and the personalities of each were not as well established because there wasn't enough variety. But now seeing as I think Euclides are at like 200 or something there is definately enough divercity in characters. Even Xerxes probably wouldn't mind sharing power with his own blood or something...Just as long as in the end he is master puppet master. Same goes with Rez really...and Caesarion wouldn't really care who was leader...as long as she could show Kyva XD.

[iprince]

I have four minutes. Lets see how much I can write...

All right, first off...it's not easy to bump ranks. It takes a lot of points. The only bebes who need half-the-points to bump a rank are those that I have clearly stated have a heavy potential for becoming a puppet master/director/whatever when they reach adulthood.

Secondly, achieving a rank is not the same thing as achieving the power that comes with the rank. A script writer who becomes a marionette is not going to be able to shapeshift. The ability is in the genetics.

In fact, ranks are, in themselves, genetic, based on the number of soul strands a Euclides can carry (this is obviously not-so with Defore and Amuni, but...the fact still applies. At birth, a rank is determined by the power and potential for power). Therefore, a puppet who gets bumped up in rank WON'T be able to carry soul strands...there's a reason why they're puppets, after all, and not puppeteers.

I don't mind rank bumpings, but you people DO have to work at them. And if I see an unfomfortable influx of puppet masters/directors/etc....I'll come up with a plot-related reason for why I WON'T be making any more, until some sort of...thingy is resolved.

Times up.

I'll answer questions/add to this when I get home.

[FlyingPanther]

*nodsnods* I agree with what Mem says ^^;. It's not like we are just expecting them to magically become Puppet Masters XD; For instance like with Caesarion...I'm going to have to wrack up 100 points XD; and even then she wont really have the same powers that most Puppet Masters could have, simply because as Mem said...ranks are genetic...and its more of an achievement then like...an actual RANK change to become a puppet master or something. *nodsnods* Basically Mem said what I was trying to say...but more cool...because shes Mem and these are her crits XD;;;; not mine.

Also something to note is that the people who are ranking their characters up aren't nessesarily only ranking up Euclides. There are also defore and amuni people might want to rank up...as well as two new creatures on the way XD. So...I wouldn't say this option is the end all be all of euclides and their rank ratio XD; Besides...we need the ability to make more popes or chiefs or something...since there arent any caravans...and there is only one church right now!

[ferabird]

I think it'd be hilarious to see something like a puppet rank themselves up to a puppet master. Why? It's make amazing roleplay. The other puppet masters surely wouldn't approve! Half of why I want to raise Hajard is that I think it would make for an interesting conflict. And seeing how it says even in the ranks that lapine puppet masters often end up dealing with mutinies.... Hajard'll think himself clever by only recruiting other lapines! How cool is that? An all lapine cast. I think it'd be like.... Euclide comedy hour.

As for abusing the rules- just because you don't agree doesn't give you the right to make others feel bad about what they'd like to do. I think if Mem decides they're doing too much- she'll find a reason to stop it as she's said she would. Until then- let them enjoy looking forward to completing their goals.

[tigs]

my aim wasn't to make anyone feel bad, it was to bring light that too much of a good thing is not a good thing in the end. It takes away from the whole 'zomg a high ranked LC!!' excitement, because they'll become just as common as anything else.

Also, as a mod and as a fellow member I believe I have every right to bring to light something I feel might become a big concern. Why not say something now, and maybe make people think more about what they're doing, then wait until later when Mem has a mess of 16 new Puppet Masters in one month to deal with?

I'm glad to hear powers aren't just... suddenly there as well XD because that's what I was concerned about to be honest. At least the natural born high ranked LCs will still be special .

[silverdust]

Woah, alot of things went on while I was gone ;D

*snugsall* Hm, I don't want this to become a big thing like the rant board, but it doesn't seem like this is where it's going so its all good I guess ^^;; I'm sorry it seems like I have alot, but there are reasons why I want these babies to grow, and Artemisius and Bie should they achieve their rank will be running a cast together. Even if its something as trivial as the personalities that I give them in my head, there are just a few that I can't see staying happy where they are. If still possible I'd like to jump Sethekaju up ranks to, but I'm reluctant seeing as I already grew him...and I think the reason there is obvious It's not as arbitrary as I made it seem, I'm sorry if I gave the wrong impression ^^;;

Besides, it's alot of work, abot 400 posts/points total, and I think that's a bit of a detriment from things becoming out of hand ^^;; Not many people have that determination if its just random ;D For me it would be good to get a couple more Puppet Masters, because I have so many directors it ain't even funny xD

[tigs]

heheh yeah, I have to give it to you, that's a lot of determination XD I'm sure not everyone will want to throw out 100 posts per crit just for the sake of bumping a rank :3. Heh

[silverdust]

yep, SD might as well kiss her summer goodbye ;D

nah, I think if I work at it I might get these four done, not in a timely manner in the least, but hey, it could happen xD But I won't concentrate all my effort on this, no sirree, I've got artifacts and plot characters to RP too @.@ Just wish I there was more time in the world, and no such thing as father's w/ nazi computer-control schedules >.>